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I am hoping to generate discussion and consensus about census images. I have read the other forum discussion and am going ahead believing that all census images are public domain and therefore uploadable.

I have added a single page of the US census as an image. 1860 US Census, Minnesota State, Wabasha County, Lake Township, Pg 7
I have also made it a page of its own, for transcription purposes. 1860 US Census, Minnesota State, Wabasha County, Lake Township, Pg 7.jpg

I suggest we use these pages as a 'sandbox' of sorts to create an example of how we would like a standard census page to look.

I am not an admin, so please don't aim discussion at me. I am a genealogist who would like to use images of the census, but see that there are no standardizations in place yet. I don't want to do a bunch of work , then have to go back and redo everything later.

QuestionsEdit

  • What should census image titles look like?

My opinion - 1860 US Census, Minnesota State, Wabasha County, Lake Township, Pg 7.jpg (Date country, state, county, township, page number) Or similar for other countries. Largest to smallest.

  • What should census categories look like?

Here's what I included in my example:

Category:Census
Category:Censuses of 1860
Category:Censuses of the US
Category:Censuses of Minnesota
Category:Censuses of Wabasha County, Minnesota

Do we need all of these? Or are you including all the larger cat's if you enter it in the smallest?

I believe it is most useful to list all surnames that are listed on that page.

Category:Montgomery (surname)
Category:Johns (surname)
Category:Noon (surname), etc...
  • How details should transcriptions be?

Since the image is available, I think only the header and names are needed. They become searchable then, right?

Finally - Please feel free to discuss what else needs to be added, done, changed...whatever...to make census images most useful to users. Thanks, Lanica 21:58, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

I would put this in Category:Census of 1860 of Wabasha County MN
That category should then be in Category:Census of 1860 of Minnesota (which would in Category:Census of 1860 of the USA) and Category:Wabasha County MN
Adding the surname categories is an excellent idea rtol 05:57, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
note that the existing category is Category:Wabasha County, Minnesota. Please use "Minnesota" rather than "MN" and "United States" or "United States of America" rather than "USA" in the category names. We also have categories like Category:Census of Iowa 1915. Thurstan 06:52, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
We also have categories like Category:Census of Iowa 1915. Thurstan - Yeah, that was one of the only other census records currently on the wiki. Was there any discussion about that title? Are we trying to include 'of' in every title? Should my page follow that as an example and be renamed 'Census of the United States of 1860, Minnesota State, Wabasha County, Lake Township' ? Lanica 18:17, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
Titles should be as short as possible, and should start with the pertinent information: Census of Lake Township MN 1915.
That page should be in category "Lake Township, Wabasha County, Minnesota", in category "Censuses of Wabasha County" (a subcat of "Censuses of Minnesota"), and in category "Censuses of 1915" (a subcat of "Censuses". rtol 07:30, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

More questionsEdit

I intend to upload a lot of census images, so I want to get it right the first time...

  • Is the word 'census' preferred usage? "Censuses of Minnesota" vs "Census of Minnesota".
  • Where should the page number go? "Census of Lake Township, Wabasha County, Minnesota, 1860, pg7."
  • Are we avoiding commas in titles? "Census of Lake Township Wabasha County Minnesota 1860 pg7."

Thanks, Lanica 12:31, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

There is no standard, so you set it.
  • The plural of "census" is "census".
  • I would put the page number at the back.
  • I would avoid commas.

rtol 18:49, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

ProjectEdit

What about a Project?

Such as using "Familypedia:U.S. Census", then dividing by pages:

  • Familypedia:U.S. Census/1930
  • Familypedia:U.S. Census/1920
  • Familypedia:U.S. Census/1910
  • Familypedia:U.S. Census/1900

Which indexes each state:

  • Familypedia:U.S. Census/1900/New York
  • Familypedia:U.S. Census/1900/Pennsylvania
  • Familypedia:U.S. Census/1900/Ohio

Each state census page indexes counties:

  • Familypedia:U.S. Census/1900/Pennsylvania/Elk
  • Familypedia:U.S. Census/1900/Pennsylvania/Clearfield
  • Familypedia:U.S. Census/1900/Pennsylvania/Centre

Each county indexes townships, boroughs, cities, villages, etc.:

  • Familypedia:U.S. Census/1900/Pennsylvania/Elk/Jay
  • Familypedia:U.S. Census/1900/Pennsylvania/Elk/St. Marys
  • Familypedia:U.S. Census/1900/Pennsylvania/Elk/Fox

On each of those pages, we can have a table that transcibes the data, with a part of the table linking a particular entry to a particular census image. -— AMK152 (tc) 16:58, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Small disadvantage of that arrangement is that users wanting to follow a particular township (which is an extremely common way of searching censuses for individuals) will have to manipulate the address bar (which is easy for you and me but not for every genealogist) or do a lot of jumping. Doubtless a set of templates can be devised so as to take someone in one click from a particular census to the previous and next census of the same place. But the templates might be slightly easier to create if the date were the last element. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:26, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
I think a project is a wonderful idea and I would be an active participant.
As Robin says, I would likely pick an area I am familiar with to focus on, then complete several years of that area before moving on to another area of the project. To take his comment a step further, I would like the jump between years to be as simple as possible because it will make it easier to use previous transcriptions to catch spelling errors. Example: I have already worked on my home town for several census years, and after typing in the easy-to-read 1900 census I can now read the handwriting of the harder-to-read years better because many of the names are the same.
I'm not sure how to make this process easiest, but I want to let those who are working on it know that jumping between years is important to me.Lanica 22:42, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Just insert a succession box: {{start box}} {{succession box | title = [[Count of Holland|Count of Friesland west of the Vlie]] | before = [[Dirk I bis van Holland (c899-939) | Dirk I''bis'']] | years = 939-988 | after = [[Aarnout van Holland (951-993) | Aarnout]] }} {{end box}} rtol 05:51, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

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