Contents 1 Ancestry 1.1 {{Ahnentafel/5}} 1.2 {{Ahnentafel-compact5}} 1.3 {{Showfacts ahnentree}} 1.4 One of the above should be the basis for /tree pages 1.5 Notable family 1.6 Coefficient of inbreeding 1.7 Age mother at birth 1.8 {{topancestors}} 2 Descent 2.1 {{Showfacts descendants}} 3 Person, other 3.1 {{Given}} 3.2 {{Showinfo siblings}} 3.3 {{Person sortkey}} 3.4 {{SMW templates}} 3.5 Same name 3.6 Possible duplicate 3.7 {{namesake}} 3.7.1 Differences 3.7.2 Use in regular articles 3.8 {{Showfacts biography}} 3.9 {{roots}} 4 Dates 4.1 {{info year}} 5 Places 5.1 Country facts (in the Wikipedia meaning), flags, etc 5.2 People who had major events (e.g. birth) at a particular place 5.3 {{locality}} 5.3.1 Migration 5.4 General navigation 6 Interwiki 6.1 {{showfacts interwikis}} 6.2 {{usedwps}} 7 Other 7.1 Google 7.2 Bar chart 8 ????

It turns out that Thurstan and I have invented very similar wheels: {{Ahnentafel/5}} and {{Showfacts ahnentafel}}. The same thing happened with the adjustments to {{showinfo children}} for siblings and {{showinfo siblings}}. In order to avoid duplication of work, it would therefore be good to use this forum to announce new templates for general use, and significant adjustments of old templates. rtol 05:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed; it would be good; better than giving each one a separate forum. But it would be much better if people were given an easy way to find this forum. Currently "No pages link to Forum:Templates update.". I'll make an effort. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

What order should they be listed in? — Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

No answer in 8 months, so I'm going to start by grouping them. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 01:58, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

AncestryEdit

{{Ahnentafel/5}}Edit

Changed so that it uses SMW rather than parser functions. rtol 05:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

{{Ahnentafel/5}} is only a list rather than a chart, but it is good for someone whose ancestors all have their own Familypedia pages, until we get the /tree pages working properly. I have temporarily changed the standard /tree coding so that it displays that instead of nothing. Robin Patterson (Talk) 13:22, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'm pleased to see that a working SMW tree has now been the second substitute. These trees are the only things available if you want an SMW list, right? I had one working fine for Donald Cameron, but I wanted to reduce from 5 to 4 and found that "/4" has been replaced by a message saying it's obsolete. What's obsolete about it? --- Robin Patterson (Talk to me) 05:39, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

It used the "/info" page templates {{get}}, {{get father}} etc. I am glad to see that you have fixed it to use SMW templates. Thurstan 05:52, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

{{Ahnentafel-compact5}}Edit

This and the lower-numbered ones (which User:Afil has been tidying up) produce trees but require manual insertion of data. Good if most of someone's ancestors do not have their own pages. However, once you have this in place the creation of those pages is very easy if you work your way up from the base person, at which time the /tree subpage will do the job more easily and update automatically. Robin Patterson (Talk) 13:22, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

{{Showfacts ahnentree}}Edit

Shows 6 generations in a tree, using SMW. Is a bit slow. rtol 05:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

The trouble is, it doesn't display an ahnentafel, it displays a tree, so it is not a "drop-in" replacement for the /info page version. I did know about yours when I made my edit. Thurstan 06:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Moved to {{Showfacts ahnentree}}. rtol 07:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

That last statement makes no sense, on the face of it. "Moved [{{Showfacts ahnentree}}] to {{Showfacts ahnentree}}" - I guess the heading was changed. I like the template anyway, so thanks! — Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Ten points for solving this problem: Herbert III of Meaux (c950-995)/ahnentafel. The template does not work properly. The template's code does. rtol 05:35, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I have reduced the level of nesting of the templates, which seemed to have exceeded the limit, so that the top generation did not appear. However, this example also suffers from this problem. Thurstan 01:23, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Recently I checked "what links here" for {{Showfacts ahnentree}}. The first article I looked at had the template but the relevant paragraph on the article was blank. Robin Patterson (Talk to me) 08:33, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

One of the above should be the basis for /tree pagesEdit

One is currently being used on our standard tree pages as a substitute while we hope the original can be fixed. Subject probably deserves more discussion, e.g. which, if any, make high demands on servers. Robin Patterson (Talk to me) 08:33, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Notable familyEdit

{{Notable family}} gathers {{Show VIA}}, {{Show VID}} and {{Show FCD}}. It displays notable ancestors, notable descendants, and descendants who contribute to Familypedia. rtol 07:19, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Nice idea. I see it's on a few hundred pages already. And I'm pleased to see that it's categorized. How much does it cost in terms of loading time or other hidden features? — Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

It's six simple SMW queries. Very fast so. rtol 18:16, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I've fixed the template. If you think that someone is a Very Important Ancestor, put [[Category:VIA]] on their sensor page. If you think that someone is a Very Important Descendant, put [[Category:VID]] on their sensor page. If you are a contributor to Familypedia, put [[Category:FC]] on your sensor page. rtol 20:33, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

The last feature is now demoed at Agnes Mary Ockenfels (1912-2008) rtol 05:18, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Coefficient of inbreedingEdit

Being tested. Diagnostics at Genealogy:Statistics/SMW tidbits. rtol 12:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Age mother at birthEdit

Now fixed. Results at Age mother at birth. Diagnostics at Genealogy:Statistics/SMW tidbits. We have one 4-year-old mother. rtol 12:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

{{topancestors}}Edit

This template displays one's most remote ancestors. As this can be rather many, it should be on a separate /topancestors subpage.

Partial demo at: Richard S.J. Tol (1969-)/topancestors rtol 18:27, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Tested that this is robust to inbreeding. rtol 07:47, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Note that this creates a query that lists all descendants of a particular topancestor. Can be massive, so beware. rtol 18:56, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Is that every ancestor in every line? Would that just list every ancestor who was also "Urancestor"? If so, why the need for all the intermediate subpages (except where someone wants to show an ancestor's topancestors)? — Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:52, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

This property is chained. Your topancestors are the topancestors of your father plus those of your mother. You therefore have to do all generations in the right order. There is no alternative in the current software. rtol 06:08, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

So a topancestors page takes its information only from the parents' topancestors pages. Fair enough. But if you add a newly discovered parent to a topancestor, you surely don't have to delete and recreate all the topancestor pages below the new person's topancestor page??

I suggest you examine more closely my suggestion that your search for any topancestors might be simpler if you queried whether each of your listed ancestors (on the sensor page) was also an Urancestor.

— Robin Patterson (Talk) 01:48, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

DescentEdit

{{Showfacts descendants}}Edit

This is a mirror image of {{showfacts tree02}}. It should be placed on PAGENAME/descendants. It creates a numbered list of children and grandchildren, and a link to the descendants' page of the grandchildren. Demo at Jacob Tol (1870-1920)/descendants. rtol 07:01, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond (1672-1723)/descendants looks odd: it looks like the template doesn't like page names with commas in them. Thurstan 07:55, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Solved.

I put in children and grandchildren. Adding great-grandchildren is easy, but may be messy. rtol 11:40, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I looked at Bertrand Arthur William Russell, 3rd Earl Russell (1872-1970), and it seems I am only getting the first "group" of children: is that how it works? Thurstan 21:48, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

g1 and g2 for testing. g3 and higher is repetitive code. Will add when all is fine. rtol 05:15, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

(Further discussion on its talk page)

Person, otherEdit

{{Given}}Edit

I added a parameter variants=variant1+variant2+... rtol 12:31, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

{{Showinfo siblings}}Edit

Shows siblings and half-siblings, using SMW. rtol 05:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Should we rename it "Showfacts siblings"? I would like to see it made a standard template on the person-page preload, sitting just above {{Showfacts children}}. Lots of people like to show siblings on a page for an individual, and we should encourage users to do it the easy way. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 03:37, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

{{Person sortkey}}Edit

Another Thurstan invention. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 11:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

{{SMW templates}}Edit

This template gathers {{Set age at death}}, {{Set age mother at birth}}, {{Set number of descendants}}, {{Descent Charlemagne test}}, {{Inbreeding test}}, {{Coefficient of Inbreeding}}, {{set ahn}} and {{set dsc}}.

{{SMW templates}} should be placed on all pages that omit {{info categories}}. rtol 23:26, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

It's now part of the standard Sensor page (incorporated in {{Sensor}}) so as not to slow the loading of person-articles. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 02:12, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Same nameEdit

The old disambiguation code does not work for SMW. I therefore created {{same name}}. The intended use is to create a page "John Smith" and put {{same name|John|Smith}} on the page. This would then create a list of all John Smiths. Demo on my granddad and his namesakes. rtol 19:07, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Now incorporated in an improved hndis page that includes the residual info pages and manual entries. Room for more improvements, but the idea was just what we wanted. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 02:12, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Possible duplicateEdit

{{Poss duplicate}}; see Forum:Identical People. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 13:45, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

{{namesake}}Edit

This shows everyone with the same first and last name. Helps to detect duplicates as well. Should this be part of the standard page? rtol 12:06, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

DifferencesEdit

It seems to have the same display portion as {{Same name}} (above). What are the practical differences in where it can be used? — Robin Patterson (Talk) 03:46, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Use in regular articlesEdit

Using it in ordinary articles could slow the loading, for little or no benefit. (Maybe it could be a good addition to the sensor page?) And it needs to include middle names to be really useful, because of the number of people whose commonly-used name is not the first name. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 03:46, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

{{Showfacts biography}}Edit

This template now picks up latitude and longitude from the pages on birth locality and death locality.

{{roots}}Edit

To be placed on basepagename/roots. Displays the birth nation of the person and her ancestors' birth nations. Demo at Nicolaas Simon Korver (1856-1922)/roots. rtol 05:53, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

DatesEdit

{{info year}}Edit

Puts basic info about the people of a particular year on the year's page. Demo at 1000. When rolled out consistently, this template could also be used to declare properties. Results at Familypedia fertility and Familypedia mortality. You can now do such things as {{getfact|fertility|page=1000}} to find that the answer is 2, that is, 105 children were born for every 1000 people alive in the year 1000. rtol 08:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

PlacesEdit

Country facts (in the Wikipedia meaning), flags, etcEdit

I notice a lot of these on the only state of India for which we currently have a page copied from WP: Arunachal Pradesh. The Flu Wiki converted a couple of hundred of those, so I suggest that anyone ready to make them work here should check there first. But check the Templates Wikia too, in case it has some by then. If it hasn't, a good idea would be to mention them in the Templates Wikia forum in case one of the bright sparks who help there has ideas for improvement or simplification; then create them on the Templates Wikia before copying to here. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 11:12, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

People who had major events (e.g. birth) at a particular placeEdit

• {{show people}} - applies to localities; example at Wellington/people
• {{show county people}} - examples at Devon and Greater London/born, married, died

They can go on the locality page if not yet so long that the article would be unbalanced; straight after "History" and before "Demographics" is a logical place. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 02:54, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

These, and others derived from the idea, may one day make many of our categories less useful, but the categories will still be needed for articles that don't have adequate or any SMW. Unless data entry and article creation are totally regimented, we can expect to have some contributors producing such slightly deficient but nevertheless valuable articles for ever. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 02:12, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

See also Born in Cornwall and Born in England, each of which forms the "main article" for the category of the same name. Note that a query on two properties is generally needed, because of the current lack of the above-mentioned regimentation. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 09:31, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Regrettably, the "year" displays are still suffering from the intrusive commas. We need more experts in the fields of templates and SMW. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 02:54, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

{{locality}}Edit

This templates writes a little sentence about a locality and creates categories and properties.

Note that this allows for nesting people and places. For example, {{getfact|page={{getfact|birth locality}}|Locality nation}} returns the country of birth.

That explanation is not enough for me to understand how people get related to {{Locality}}. Please expand at {{Locality/doc}}. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 09:31, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

The set of locality properties is pretty limited at the moment, but will grow over time. rtol 11:34, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

There is also {{locality (nl)}} which caters for the specific situation of the Netherlands. rtol 11:37, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

{{coord}} now create properties latitude and longitude, so that {{getfact|page={{getfact|birth locality}}|Longitude}} {{getfact|page={{getfact|birth locality}}|Latitude}} returns the geographic coordinates (in decimal notation as used by Google Earth) of birth. This is the first step towards automated maps of descent. rtol 10:25, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

MigrationEdit

The above could be the way into what our Kent expert, Steve, wants to see on locality pages: listing of people by their dates of arrival in and departure from a locality. I've told Steve I think we need to organize for the capture of that data as semantic properties. With any one person likely to have dates related to more than one locality, will we need something like the 1,2,3 that we use for marriages? -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 04:31, February 16, 2012 (UTC)m

General navigationEdit

See Forum:Upgrade_to_template_Navbox for discussion of {{Navbox}}. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 04:09, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

InterwikiEdit

{{showfacts interwikis}}Edit

This replaces {{showinfo interwikis}} on SMW pages. Phlox is the author. I tested it, and it works fine. rtol 08:03, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

{{usedwps}}Edit

http://familypedia.wikia.com/index.php?title=Template:Usedwps&action=history is the history of a new template that looks like a copy of the original much-used "usedwp" but presumably displays in a smaller size, which is fine by me but I wonder why we need a new one instead of just incorporating the smaller size in the original. Maybe the author and subsequent editor would like to explain why the longer name is preferable or what the ultimate aim is. Response on its talk page? -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 02:01, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Responded on the talk page of the template.Afil 01:43, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

OtherEdit

GoogleEdit

{{Google}} gives a link to any Google search, while {{GooglePerson}} gives a link to a search for a person's first and last name. rtol 05:29, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Bar chartEdit

Copied {{bar box}} from Wikipedia. Demo on Familypedia population. rtol 18:20, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

 ???? Edit

1. Are these templates actually subtemplates of the showfacs-person templates or are they separate ones. Afil 02:30, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

The documentation for each one should answer that question. Please query on their talk pages where it's not clear - or use "What links here". -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:40, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

2. Is there any place where the entire concept is presented. I just keep on guessing. Afil 02:30, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Most of its threads/facets/aspects should be listed at Help:Semantic MediaWiki. It may be due for revision; discuss on its talk page if it seems to need some. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:40, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

3. There are many cases where biographical articles are copied from Wikipedia without any additional genealogical processing. As they contain none of the templates presented before, they will presumably never become part of the system. When should such biographical articles be included as a separate biography subpage. Afil 02:30, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Copying without any additions is the easiest way to start. Many of them have since been brought into the "showfacts" system and all should be eventually. Some spend a period in a category with a name like Category:Non-showfacts articles (which I thought autocomplete would tell me the name of, but it didn't). -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:40, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

4. What is the link between the geographical articles and the genealogical ones? If we have an article on the city of Manchester, is there any way a link is created betweeen this article and a person which is born or who died in Manchester? Do these geographic articles have to have Valid name templates or not? Does the system take automatically the coordinates of the various places and does it integrate them automatically into the system or does this work only for Valid names? What about articles which have the coordinates presented as degrees and not in decimal form. Afil 02:30, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

As noted above, I think, and edited very recently, {{Show people}} does exactly that. Use of "What links here" is another way to check, though it's a bit indirect. "Valid name templates" are a way of getting existing locality names to pop up in the autocomplete of Form:Person. I'm not aware of any major work in using the coordinates yet, but I'm confident there's plenty of scope for using them programmatically. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:40, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

5. What is the use of articles which have no relation at all with the genealogy? For instance, I wondered what the use of the article Refrigerant is for Familypedia, but received no answer. Afil 02:30, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

I probably didn't notice the question. I would have cut that one off at the link stage, making it a link to the Wikipedia page. And probabl;y hundreds of others like it, where we can't conceivably add genealogical information to improve on the WP article. See http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Familypedia%3AWikipedia#Linking_to_Wikipedia_pages. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:40, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

6. Familypedia usually uses birth and death dates. The same people, when mentioned in biographical articles, in very many cases do not have the birth and death dates and therefore the links are not operational. It takes very much time to add the birth and death dates in the various entries of the biographical articles. Can this be solved in any way, other that by redirects (which would mean that for each name of familypedia we would have to have such redirects)?. Afil 02:30, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Please don't bother changing them in the FP articles unless you want to: it is our policy to create a redirect with the Wikipedia name, leading to the name in our standard form. (It helps get us noticed by search engines, among other advantages.) -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:40, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

These are the kind of questions which make activity on Familypedia confusing. I am contributing to Familypedia for nearly a year, I have contributed with over 30,000 edits and am still not able to identify the place where I can find answers to such questions. It seems that Robin and Thurstan and Rtol know some secrets which other mortals ignore. And I suppose that if I am confused, so are many other potential contributors. This inevitably leads to misunderstandings and for many contributors could be a disincentive to further continue.

I know what a genealogy is, I am interested in the topic but I think that Familypedia could also benefit from contribution of non-initiated people like me. Afil 02:30, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

We are all somewhat non-initiated!! But we believe that the system User:Phlox built for us has great potential. Please make your own contributions to Forum:Help improve the help pages. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:40, August 29, 2011 (UTC)