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This is a very informal and rather random sampling of other websites with details of Descendants of Charlemagne. When it has proceeded for some distance, we will develop an idea of which sites give fairly complete coverage of the people involved and we may eliminate some from further checking and/or from further mention in the references or notes for individuals.

Each row is for one descendant, showing how many children each site lists for that person. When the list gets long, inserting the numbers in the proper columns could be tricky, so the "blank" rows for copying start with cells containing the site abbreviations, to be replaced with numbers when available or with "NA" if the site does not seem to mention that person.

Initial sites for checking are from the following pages about Charlemagne and his children:

Number of children listed for individual on given siteEdit

  • Listing in "Order of Charlemagne" (because of possible tendency for sites to have either more or fewer as the centuries progress) then alphabetically by pagename (bearing in mind that Order numbers can change)
  • Each external site number should be the visible part of a link to the relevant page (except for KdG, whose links are above)
  • Note any mention of disputed children or children Familypedia seems not to have

Order 1Edit

PageFAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
Charlemagne (747-814)2010201818185203201211We follow Fish, which quotes Wikipedia. Quebec has (instead of our Ruodhaid c775-852) "Abbesse Ruothild de Faremoutiers (-852) (de Madelgard)" and TWO daughters Adeltrude with Fastrade (both born in or about 790 and marrying similarly-named men, one producing a child); and omits Amaudru and Alpaida (but has an Alpaide daughter of Louis). Stoyan has Rothilde (?-24.3.852) (with Madelgard) (childless) and two unnamed (one with long-lived childless son Bernhard, the other with childless son or grandson) and omits Amaudru, Alpaida, Richbod. Medieval Lands omits Amaudru and Richbod.

Order 2Edit

PageFAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
Amaudru (?-?)3BlochFishHullLeoNANANANANATonNANotes
Bertha (779-823)4BlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebNAStoyTonWebcNotes
Louis the Pious (778-840)101010108MedL1094995Notes
Pepin, King of Italy (773-810)6BlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQueb1StoyTonWebcNotes
Rotrude (775-810)2BlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebNAStoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes

Order 3Edit

PageFAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
Bernard, King of Italy (797-818)1BlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQueb1StoyTonWebcNotes
Charles the Bald (823-877)1414141313MedL41421440Bloch and Hull give Drogo and Pippin to Ermintrude. Bloch omits "NN" and adds Hersent, i.e. Hersinde (?-aft916), who gives Regnier I de Hainaut (c850-915) lots of descendants. Fish also has Hersent (c862) as a daughter but w/o mention of children; check who's omitted.
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes

Order 4Edit

PageFAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
Judith (844-870)44342 MedL42124NATon gives her two children by Ethelwulf - rather significant guys (but probably born earlier) - and only two by Baldwin.
Louis the Stammerer (846-879)62646MedL46362NATon shows two Charleses from different wives
Pepin, Count of Vermandois (c815-aft848)5BlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQueb1StoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes

Order 5Edit

PageFAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
Charles the Simple (879-929)1121112MedL372112NA?Notes
Herbert I, Count of Vermandois (c848-907)5BlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes

Order 6Edit

PageFAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
Herbert II, Count of Vermandois (884-943)7BlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQueb3StoyTonWebcNotes
Louis IV (c920-954)77(+?)147MedL43772NA?Ton has "XX" twice but they link to women (or one woman)
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes

Order 7Edit

PageFAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
Albert I de Vermandois (915-987)5BlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQueb0StoyTonWebcNotes
Charles (953-993)60255MedL0705NANA?Hull names none
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
Robert de Vermandois, Count of Meaux (918-968)3BlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQueb2StoyTonWebcNotes

Order 8Edit

PageFAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
Adelaide de Troyes (c955-c991)6BlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQueb2StoyTonWebcNotes
Ermengarde of Lower Lorraine (aft970-aft1012)6NA2NA2MedLNA1NA5NA?NA?Birth year of Hedwig: Fish says c995, Leo NA, Stoy NA
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes

Order 9Edit

PageFAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
Albert II de Namur (c1000-1063)4BlochFishHullLeoMedLPeer2NAStoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes

Order 10Edit

PageFAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes

Order 11Edit

PageFAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
[[]]FAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes

Order 12Edit

PageFAMBlochFishHullLeoMedLPeerQuebRoyStoyTonWebcNotes
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